E12: Biden wins, Pfizer vaccine, markets rip, Trump's next act, COVID endgame scenarios & more

Wed, 11 Nov 2020 05:13:23 +0000

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David Sacks Right 00:02:25 politicsgovernment

Post‑election 2020 legal challenges by the Trump campaign will almost all fail, and Joe Biden will in fact take office as the next U.S. president on Inauguration Day 2021.

“I think there's a series of court challenges we can talk about. I think that they're unlikely to prevail. Very, very unlikely. I think Joe Biden will be the next president.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Nearly all of the Trump campaign's post-election legal challenges failed, and Joe Biden was inaugurated as president on January 20, 2021.

David Sacks Right 00:13:39 politics

Around the 2024 election cycle, Donald Trump will publicly and repeatedly assert that the 2020 presidential election was "stolen" from him, citing the timing of COVID‑19 vaccine announcements as part of his justification.

“on this news alone, Trump in four years will be able to claim on some level that this was a stolen election.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Trump repeatedly and publicly claimed the 2020 election was "stolen" for years afterward, including into and beyond the 2024 cycle, and specifically pointed to Pfizer's post-election-day vaccine efficacy announcement as evidence he was cheated of a pre-election news boost.

David Friedberg Wrong 00:22:29 health

Even after COVID‑19 vaccines and cheap testing are widely available, U.S. society will not fully return to pre‑2020 norms; for many years (effectively permanently relative to pre‑COVID life), large venues will continue measures such as temperature checks and mask requirements, and K‑12 schools will routinely test students for infection.

“Yeah, I don't think you ever get there...there will be a lot about the way we live that's going to be, you know, kind of permanently scarred and permanently changed here for a while, whether it is taking people's temperatures at football games, uh, wearing masks and, you know, farmer's markets, who knows?...kids are going to go to school and get tested regularly, and they're going to do all sorts of stuff that we would have never dreamed imaginable in a free country a year ago. Um, and I think that's permanent.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Contrary to the "permanent" framing, mask mandates, temperature checks at venues, and routine school COVID testing were almost entirely phased out in the US by 2022-2023; daily life had substantially reverted to pre-2020 norms rather than being permanently scarred by these measures.

Chamath Palihapitiya Right 00:24:31 healtheconomy

The U.S. will not return to more than roughly 80% of pre‑COVID social and economic normality until sometime in 2022 (possibly as late as 2023), due to the time required to scale vaccine production and distribution.

“I think that the best will get back to is sort of this 80% state, and I don't think it happens until probably 2022 and maybe 2023, but probably 2022, because you have to remember, like we have to ramp up now, billions of vaccine production like this is a nontrivial path from here to quote unquote, mass market.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Widespread US social/economic normalization (mask mandates lifted, most restrictions dropped) largely occurred through 2022, consistent with this 2022-2023 timeline, even though vaccine rollout itself was faster than some feared.

David Sacks Partly Right 00:25:43 healtheconomy

By summer 2021, COVID‑19 will largely cease to be a major active concern in day‑to‑day life ("a distant bad memory"), after 1–2 quarters of transition, and social life and the global economy will snap back quickly, with a pronounced surge in partying and in‑person socializing for several months once vaccines, treatments, and testing are widely available.

“Yeah, I guess, I guess I am. I think COVID's going to be a distant memory by next summer. I think we'll have 1 to 2 quarters of transition, but I think that once the vaccines are widely available, plus the treatment and the testings for the people who slipped through the cracks, um, yeah, I tend to think things are going to snap back very fast and Covid will just be this bad memory, a very distant bad memory. And I think, in fact, I think things may bounce back the other way. Um, everyone having been cooped up and afraid of getting some life threatening illness are going to come out of this really wanting to party. I think the whole world's going to be like Tel Aviv for, you know, a few months or something.” View on YouTube
Explanation

The predicted "hot vax summer" partying resurgence did happen in summer 2021, but COVID did not become a fully "distant bad memory" by then; the Delta wave (mid-2021) and Omicron wave (winter 2021-22) both caused significant renewed disruption after this prediction's timeframe.

David Sacks Right 00:25:43 politicshealth

Within a few years after 2020 (by the mid‑2020s), COVID‑19 will be so far in the past that many people will look back and question why it caused such political damage to Trump and why society was so afraid of it.

“a few years from now, people could ask, wait, why? Why was it again that Trump lost, you know, um, you know, this Covid thing will be it will be so in the rear view mirror that we'll wonder why we were so afraid of it.” View on YouTube
Explanation

By the mid-2020s, COVID-19 had substantially receded from day-to-day political and social discourse, with the intensity of 2020-era fear looking disproportionate in hindsight, matching this prediction.

Jason Calacanis Wrong 00:26:44

By summer 2021, large in‑person parties and festivals such as raves and Burning Man will resume, with Burning Man 2021 experiencing exceptionally high attendance and intensity compared to prior years ("the greatest Burning Man ever").

“I think like David. Come the summer of next summer, people are going to be at a rave with freibergs, you know, custom made Molly or whatever he's making during this downtime going absolutely bonkers. I think Burning Man next year becomes like the the greatest Burning Man ever. It'll be it'll be the burn of of of all burns.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Burning Man's official 2021 event was cancelled due to COVID-19 for the second consecutive year (announced April 2021), so there was no in-person official Burning Man 2021, let alone the "greatest Burning Man ever"; only an unofficial, unpermitted gathering occurred.

David Friedberg Right 00:32:53 politics

The January 5, 2021 Georgia U.S. Senate runoffs will become the most expensive Senate runoff elections in U.S. history, with total spending on the races exceeding $100 million (and potentially reaching $100–200 million), especially on political advertising in Georgia.

“I think we're going to see literally the biggest, the biggest funding for a Senate runoff race in history, by far. Don't you think? Zach's, like, probably north of $100 million being spent, maybe 100 to $200 million being spent on advertisements in Georgia to try and get people to go vote one way or the other.” View on YouTube
Explanation

The January 2021 Georgia Senate runoffs became the two most expensive Senate races in US history by a wide margin, with the Perdue-Ossoff race alone reaching nearly $470 million and the Loeffler-Warnock race nearly $363 million, for over $830 million combined, far exceeding the $100-200 million estimate given here.

David Friedberg Wrong 00:33:54 politicsmarkets

Conditional on Democrats winning both Georgia Senate runoff races on January 5, 2021 and thereby securing effective control of the U.S. Senate (50–50 with Vice President as tiebreaker), U.S. equity markets could decline by approximately 30–40% within the following six months (by mid‑2021).

“if the Democrats look like they're getting much more money into the state and they're actually going to, you know, get people to the polls and to the voting booths and actually get into this runoff on January 5th and actually flip, um, get both of those seats to be, uh, um, uh, to be blue. Uh, it's going to be a very different market environment. I mean, you could see the market drop by 30, 40% in the next six months.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Democrats did win both Georgia Senate seats, but US equity markets did not crash 30-40% in the following six months; the S&P 500 instead continued climbing through mid-2021 in one of the strongest post-election bull runs in years.

David Sacks Partly Right 00:57:48 politicsgovernment

Donald Trump will continue his election court challenges for a few weeks and effectively end them (i.e., the contest of the result will be over) by Thanksgiving 2020, with courts ultimately ruling against him or throwing out his challenges.

“I think he has to run out these court challenges, which will take a few weeks, but I predict by Thanksgiving... I see the court ultimately ruling against him or throwing it out.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Most of Trump's legal challenges were dismissed by late November/early December 2020 and courts consistently ruled against him, but he did not fully stand down by Thanksgiving 2020; he continued pursuing challenges and disputing the result well past that date, through the January 6, 2021 Capitol riot and beyond.

David Sacks Right 00:57:48 politics

If Donald Trump chooses to run for president in the 2024 election, he will likely win the Republican Party’s presidential nomination in 2024.

“if he wants to run four years from now, um, I think he probably gets the Republican nomination again.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Donald Trump ran for president again in 2024 and won the Republican nomination.

Chamath Palihapitiya Wrong 00:59:34 politics

Donald Trump will not run for president again in 2024 (0% chance he runs).

“What's the percentage chance, Chamath that he runs again in four years? ... Zero.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Donald Trump did run for president again in the 2024 election and won both the Republican nomination and the general election.

David Friedberg Wrong 00:59:57 politicseconomy

After leaving office, Donald Trump will be based in New York, will effectively acquire or own a law firm to defend himself, and his post‑presidency activities will generate on the order of $100 million per month in income.

“He's going to be in New York. He's gonna buy a law firm because he's going to need a law firm to keep everyone at bay. And he's going to be probably printing 100 million bucks a month” View on YouTube
Explanation

After leaving office, Trump primarily based himself at Mar-a-Lago in Florida (and made Florida his permanent residence), not New York; he did not acquire a law firm, and no credible reporting supports a ~$100 million/month post-presidency income figure in that immediate period.

Chamath Palihapitiya Right 01:00:06 politics

After leaving office, Donald Trump will definitely launch a media business and will attempt to be a political kingmaker within the Republican Party.

“I think he's definitely going to launch a media business and, uh, he'll, he'll try to become kingmaker.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Trump launched Truth Social (Trump Media & Technology Group) in 2022, and became widely regarded as the dominant kingmaker in Republican politics, with his endorsements playing an outsized role in GOP primaries through the 2022 and 2024 cycles.

David Sacks Right 01:00:13 politics

In the coming years, Donald Trump will become a kingmaker in Republican politics by launching a Fox News competitor combined with a Tea Party–style grassroots movement, such that Republican candidates will generally need his endorsement or face primary challenges from Trump-aligned candidates.

“I think. I think he will become a kingmaker. And Republican politics, he will launch a competitor to Fox News, but it will also be Fox News hybridized with a grassroots movement like the Tea Party. And every Republican will need to go get his endorsement or they will be primaried by the Trump party.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Trump's Truth Social platform, combined with his grassroots MAGA movement, made his endorsement close to a prerequisite for Republican candidates in competitive primaries through the 2022 and 2024 cycles, closely matching the "kingmaker" dynamic predicted here.

Jason Calacanis Wrong 01:00:34 politics

Any Trump-backed media network that attempts to compete with Fox News will fail to secure strong backing, will resemble a weaker version of Breitbart, and will shut down within 24 months of its launch.

“Not only is he not going to be a kingmaker, he will not be able to get the backing for this network. It'll be Breitbart Lite, and it'll be shut down within 24 months.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Trump's media venture (Truth Social / Trump Media & Technology Group) did secure substantial backing, going public via a SPAC merger in March 2024 at a multibillion-dollar valuation, and remained operating years past the predicted 24-month shutdown window.

Chamath Palihapitiya Partly Right 01:04:23 politicsgovernment

By December 15, 2020, Donald Trump will have effectively ended his attempts to contest the election result; the post‑election dispute will be resolved by that date.

“he'll be out by December 15th, meaning it'll this will all be done.” View on YouTube
Explanation

The Electoral College formally confirmed Biden's win on December 14, 2020, close to the predicted date, but Trump did not actually stop contesting the result by then; he continued disputing it through January 6, 2021 and for years afterward.

David Sacks Partly Right 01:04:31 politicsgovernment

Donald Trump’s postelection lawsuits will mostly or entirely fail, and if the election dispute reaches the U.S. Supreme Court, the Court will rule against him; at that point Trump will accept the result (even if he does not formally concede).

“I expect that the obstacles he has to overcome are too large and he will lose these lawsuits. It might go to the Supreme Court... I think that, you know, Trump will accept the result. He may not concede, but he will accept the result when it comes from the Supreme Court.” View on YouTube
Explanation

Trump's lawsuits did overwhelmingly fail, including the Texas v. Pennsylvania case that reached the Supreme Court and was dismissed 7-2 for lack of standing, but Trump never actually accepted the result in the sense predicted; he continued to publicly dispute the election's legitimacy for years afterward rather than moving on.

David Sacks Right 01:06:02 politicsgovernment

If the 2020 presidential election dispute reaches the U.S. Supreme Court, the Court’s decision against Trump will be by a margin of at least 7–2, and possibly 8–1 or 9–0.

“I believe if it gets to the Supreme Court, it will be at least 7 to 2, if not eight 1 or 9 zero” View on YouTube
Explanation

The Supreme Court's Texas v. Pennsylvania order on December 11, 2020 rejected the case 7-2, with only Justices Alito and Thomas dissenting on the procedural question of whether to allow the filing (while still not supporting the requested relief), matching the predicted margin.

Chamath Palihapitiya Too Early 01:14:20 economygovernment

The City and County of San Francisco will file for municipal bankruptcy at least once within the next 10 years from November 2020 (i.e., by November 2030).

“Mark my words, San Francisco will file for bankruptcy in the next ten years.” View on YouTube
Explanation

The predicted 10-year window runs through November 2030, which has not yet arrived as of 2026; San Francisco has faced serious budget deficits in this period but has not filed for municipal bankruptcy.

Chamath Palihapitiya Too Early 01:14:20 economygovernment

The City and County of San Francisco will file for municipal bankruptcy at least once within 10–15 years from November 2020 (i.e., by November 2035).

“Maybe 15, maybe 15 years. But yeah, ten, 15 years.” View on YouTube
Explanation

The predicted 10-15 year window runs through November 2035, which has not yet arrived as of 2026; not enough time has passed to resolve this prediction.